1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 If we were to come in and dig again, 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 would we get a response? 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Where you dig makes a difference. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,000 It's got a dead battery. 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 What the actual hell is this? 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000 You gotta get those people out here. 7 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 There was a spike at 3,400. 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Everybody out of here now. 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Eric, are you doing something at 1.6? 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 I'm not broadcasting. 11 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 That's a communication signal or something. 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 This is out of the carriage house. 13 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,000 The hell is that? 14 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 You captured the UAP on camera. 15 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 There is a ranch in northern Utah. 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,000 It is considered the epicenter of the strangest 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 and most disturbing phenomena on Earth. 18 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Animal mutilations, 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 bizarre UFO sightings, 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,000 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,000 For 20 years, the federal government tried to find answers 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 and failed. 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Now, a new team of dedicated scientists, 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 researchers, and experts has taken over. 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,000 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 the secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 How's it going, Chris? 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Hey, Caleb, how's it going? 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Good. 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 To help us with our ongoing investigation of Skinwalker Ranch, 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 we've been trying to engage as many people as possible 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 who took part in the previous operations 33 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 over the last two decades. 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 What's it like coming back? 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 It's pretty surreal, actually, you know. 36 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 It's kind of like being back home a little bit, you know? 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Chris Bartell is a former military officer 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 who was contracted by Robert Bigelow 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 and the Defense Intelligence Agency. 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 When they were investigating Skinwalker Ranch several years ago, 41 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 we used to have trouble getting guys like him 42 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 to share anything about what they've seen out here. 43 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,000 What is that it that's in control? 44 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 But after last week's visit by another former Bigelow employee, 45 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Colonel John Alexander, 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 and the federal government's report last year 47 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 acknowledging the existence of UAPs, 48 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 it's like the floodgates have finally opened up. 49 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 I didn't know. A couple years ago, 50 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 I was worried about, you know, maybe the police, 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 the clearance, talking about some of the experiences 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 I had here on the property. 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Losing a clearance as far as, like, a security clearance? 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Right. It was a concern, because, you know, 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,000 I'm still active in the federal department. 56 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 I'm still operating, and now it's more of a mainstream topic, 57 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 it seems like. 58 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 I was a BAS security investigator for Bigelow Aerospace 59 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 for Skinwalker Ranch from the years 2010 to 2016. 60 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 BAS stands for Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies. 61 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 It was the organization to study UFO phenomena 62 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 This is also during the time of the federal contract, ASAP. 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,000 ASAP stands for Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program. 64 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I was one of the lead members out here that spent lots of time 65 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 exploring, documenting data, and also safekeeping 66 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 and protecting the property. 67 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 I have a lot of experiences out here. 68 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000 You know, I lived and breathed this property for six years. 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 I would love to show you guys some of the things that I went through 70 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 and the important aspects of the property. 71 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Well, I'm here to do that. 72 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 I think we throw you in the UTV right here, 73 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,000 and let's start across, because I want to hear everything that happened. 74 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,000 That sounds good. I appreciate it. 75 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,000 We have this 20-year gap where Mr. Bigelow owned the ranch, 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 for which we know very little. 77 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 I think somebody that spent six years here 78 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 and spent a lot of time during that six years is critical 79 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 and could be crucial to helping us solve some of the mysteries 80 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,000 that are here on the ranch. 81 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Yeah, right here. 82 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Let's park here, then. 83 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 I find it interesting that you stop us here. 84 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 This is by a place we call the Triangle. 85 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 It's been a place we've done a lot of experiments and research 86 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000 and had a lot of interesting data, so I'm curious to tell me about 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,000 what you experienced here. 88 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 So, October of 2010, we had a pretty good routine 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 where one guy would do a normal run through the property 90 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 to get kind of eyes on what's going on. 91 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 That day, the other officer came back and he was like, 92 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,000 hey, I found some big prints on top of the mesa. 93 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 And I'm like, okay, let's go take a look at them. 94 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,000 We get to the top of here and we find these pretty good sized canine prints. 95 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 I have photos of those if you like to see them. 96 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Yes, I'd love to see those. 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Here, take a look at this. You can see here, look at those. 98 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Look how deep those go down. 99 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Look at that. Oh, my gosh. 100 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 That's about three feet between step. 101 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Mm-hmm. 102 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 And then we had a couple of labs with us. 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 You can see here in the top corner, the labs prints. 104 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 That thing's like four times the size of those. 105 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000 That's a very big canine. 106 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Seeing this picture, you can tell by both the size and the stride 107 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 that we're talking about a very large animal. 108 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000 It makes me think about the legend of the skinwalker. 109 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 The legend of the skinwalker is that it's an entity that can shape shift. 110 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Often, the lore is having it go from a wolf to a man. 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:20,000 And for whatever reason, this piece of ground was cursed with the skinwalker. 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 I was here, the other officer was right there and the dogs were kind of in between us. 113 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 And the other officer says, Chris, stop, I hear something. 114 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,000 And I'll never forget this, because it's been a replay in my mind forever since this day. 115 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Out of that ditch, I hear a god-awful guttural howl growl. 116 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 And I was like frozen for a second. 117 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 So was the other officer and the dogs were all alerting. 118 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,000 The animal jumps out of the ravine, over the berm, and travels west. 119 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 This thing was probably the size of a donkey, black. 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Instinctively, the dogs chased after it. 121 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 I run after the dogs. 122 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 We get around that corner there. 123 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 It's gone. 124 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Wow. 125 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,000 I can understand why Chris was hesitant to share some of these stories. 126 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,000 If I had heard this on day one of the ranch, I would have dismissed Chris. 127 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,000 But after spending five years here on the ranch, I find myself believing his story. 128 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Did you come back and look for tracks the next day? 129 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 The next day, we came back. 130 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 We followed the ditch. 131 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 We really didn't find any tracks. 132 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 But there was an area I found on this mason slope. 133 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 And it led to this open cavity. 134 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 It looked like a cave. 135 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 So I jumped down into it. 136 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 I look around and it's a decent size open cavity. 137 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,000 But inside the cavern, I pulled out two old canine traps. 138 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,000 So anytime somebody says the word cave or cavern here, it catches our attention. 139 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Right. 140 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 You think it's still there? 141 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Yeah. 142 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 You mind taking us there to it? 143 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Absolutely. Let's go. 144 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:07,000 I found it interesting that this DJ, he said they were picking up some kind of weird signal. 145 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Yeah, that's the part that got my attention. 146 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,000 You know, normally when you think about a radio station, you think of them broadcasting, 147 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 but not receiving anything. 148 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 So I'm surprised that they're vigilant to any incoming signals. 149 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Well, I can't wait to hear what they say. 150 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Ranch caretakers Tom Lewis and Candace Lindy let me and Eric know that a local radio station nearby 151 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000 reached out to them about a really strange frequency interference that's been jamming their system. 152 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000 And it sounds just like what we experienced last week on Skinwalker Ranch. 153 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, right here. 154 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 We've got that 1.6 thing. 155 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 During a lot of the experiments we've done to stimulate different phenomena, including UAPs, 156 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Eric has detected a huge radio frequency energy spike of 1.6 gigahertz on the spectrum analyzer. 157 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,000 And last week we detected it after launching a rocket out by Homestead 2. 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Well, it's coming back. Oh, there it is, there it is, there it is. 159 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 But this time, a mysterious sound came through with it. 160 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Want to try and listen to it? 161 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Yeah. 162 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:18,000 I swear that sounds like a communication signal. 163 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 So here we are. 164 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:28,000 So when we heard that a potentially similar signal was occurring at a radio station 10 miles away in Roosevelt, 165 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 we definitely wanted to meet with the station manager and DJ, Jen Rook. 166 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 Hi. 167 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Hey, I'm Travis. 168 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Hi, I'm Jen. 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Nice to meet you, Jen. 170 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,000 You too. 171 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:44,000 We wanted to see if it could be related to the strange communication signal we've detected on Skinwalker Ranch. 172 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 So we hear you've been having some weird signals or interference with your radio station? 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Some interference for sure and just some other weird anomalies that happen. 174 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,000 I'm talking about interferences. Is it keeping you from being able to operate at certain times? 175 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,000 My live stream online, it keeps it from operating. 176 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Really? 177 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Like the online stream was just absolute fuzz. 178 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,000 It was just cutting out everything. It was just such an interruption. 179 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 You couldn't hear the radio station online. 180 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Wow. 181 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:21,000 So if I was listening to your station and I hear some kind of a problem, 182 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:26,000 I would expect to hear what? Static, strange tones, signals that don't belong in your signal stream. 183 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 What would I hear? 184 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,000 I mean, you could probably hear any of that. 185 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:39,000 You know, we've heard some weird stuff and we see weird signals at the ranch that we can't figure out where they're coming from. 186 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,000 And we found this one that seems to be repeating around here all the time. It's near 1.6 gigahertz. 187 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Travis, can you bring that up and play it? 188 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,000 I believe it's this one right here. 189 00:09:50,000 --> 00:10:02,000 You know, I've heard something similar to this along with all of the fuzz that I get that I know is interference. 190 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Really? 191 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Yeah, there's something not right and I've had people look at it and try to fix it, but it's a signal that is not supposed to be there. 192 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Wow. 193 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:22,000 After we verified that Jen believed that the 1.6 gigahertz communication signal from the ranch was very similar to the one that's been coming through the radio station, 194 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:29,000 it made both Eric and I think that maybe we could use it to try to communicate back to whoever sent it in the first place. 195 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:39,000 We couldn't by any chance talk you into maybe broadcasting this strange signal that we've picked up and see if we'll detect something with our instruments when you do. 196 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Are we poking a bear here? 197 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Well, the expression that I use is one of my grandmother taught me and it's poking a hornet's nest. 198 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Okay, let's do it. Let's see if any hornets fly out. 199 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 All right, let's do it. 200 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 So we have some equipment outside in the car and if you'll give us a few minutes, we'll run out, we'll get it set up and run into. 201 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Okay, yeah, let's do it. 202 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 So we'll go set up the equipment, I'll be right back and tell you when we're ready. 203 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 All right, sounds good. 204 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Thank you. 205 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:14,000 After Jen Rook, the station manager at Jack FM told us that the 1.6 gigahertz communication signal that we've detected on Skinwalker Ranch 206 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 sounded similar to what's been interfering with her station's broadcast. 207 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,000 We convinced her to let us run an experiment. 208 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,000 I'm going to go ahead and start the Jeep and tune into the radio station. 209 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Perfect. 210 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 The idea was to play the 1.6 gigahertz signal over her airwaves. 211 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 All right, I got the radio station up. 212 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:42,000 While Eric and I set up an antenna with our spectrum analyzer in the parking lot, so we could monitor the broadcast for anything strange that might happen in response. 213 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 All right, I think that's good right there. 214 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 All right. 215 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,000 I'm interested in watching the RF spectrum through our spectrum analyzer. 216 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,000 I've got really high hopes that we're going to see something unusual. 217 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 I'm going to tell her we're ready. 218 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 All right. 219 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 Hey, Jen. 220 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Yeah, we've got our equipment set up in the parking lot, so whenever you're okay to broadcast the signal, we're watching. 221 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 All right. 222 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 All right. 223 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Ready. 224 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 All right. 225 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Cool, thanks. 226 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 All right, Eric, she's about to broadcast it. 227 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000 All right. 228 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Hey there, everybody. 229 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Just a little interruption in the music right now. 230 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 We're doing a few tests here at the studios. 231 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000 And you know what? 232 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 I'm going to play something here. 233 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,000 And if you've heard this, you can always give me a call here at the studios and let me know. 234 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 This is just a test, everybody. 235 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 There it is. 236 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Wow, it really changed her waveform big time. 237 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Look at how the waveform is reacting to it though. 238 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,000 You see that? 239 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,000 What's right here? 240 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:07,000 When an FM radio station broadcasts music or anything over the airways, the frequency always has a constant and uniform pattern. 241 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 You shouldn't see any deviation in it no matter what the sound is. 242 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:20,000 But as soon as Jen started broadcasting the sound from our 1.6 gigahertz signal, the station's frequency began showing strange, sporadic spikes. 243 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Now, that shouldn't be possible. 244 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,000 So it really made us wonder if our experiment might stimulate something strange out here in the basin community. 245 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,000 And if so, would it be anything like the phenomena we've seen on Skinwalker Ranch? 246 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 This has just been a test, everybody. 247 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Thanks for listening. 248 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 I'll put you back to the music now. 249 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 I'm Jen Rook. 250 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,000 All right. 251 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Well, I say we go tell her what we saw. 252 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Yep. 253 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Let's go follow up. 254 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Wonder what the locals thought that was listening to the radio station. 255 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Oh my gosh. 256 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Wow. 257 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 That was pretty cool. 258 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Thank you for that. 259 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Yeah, we were watching the spectrum all around your signal. 260 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:07,000 And when you were broadcasting, the waveform actually changed. 261 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Normally, it has a certain shape. 262 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,000 And when you started that signal, it changed to something completely different. 263 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,000 It was really odd. 264 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Now, the interesting question is, if there's any kind of response, what form will it take and how will we find out about it? 265 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Yeah, if anybody calls you and says, hey, what was that weird thing, or I had a headache when that was going on, you know, or whatever. 266 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Yeah. 267 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Okay. 268 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Especially if someone happens to see a UFO or a UAP or something strange in the sky, anything at all, please let us know. 269 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Okay. 270 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,000 You may be able to provide some information that's very helpful to our research going on. 271 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,000 So thank you for accommodating us. 272 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Oh yeah, anytime. 273 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000 It was great to meet you. 274 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 You too. 275 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Yeah, thank you very much. 276 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Thanks, guys. 277 00:14:53,000 --> 00:15:01,000 So it's going to be in this little area right here where I was walking down from the top of the mesa and I found a cave. 278 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Over the years that I have been here on the ranch, there's been rampant rumors about underground bases, tunnels, all kinds of underground things here at the ranch. 279 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 If there are some, we definitely want to find them. 280 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 I just happened to notice it from on top. 281 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Then I suggest maybe we just all climb up there and see if we can find it. 282 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Hey, I found what looks like to be a cabin. 283 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Let me take a look. 284 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Oh yeah. 285 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,000 I'm pretty sure this is it. 286 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000 It looks like it. 287 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,000 You can tell that at one time it was a lot larger and it's collapsed down in on itself. 288 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 You can tell that this whole area looks like a sunken area. 289 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Like it was a whole cave. 290 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Yeah. 291 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Yeah. 292 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 So strange. 293 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,000 If this is the opening to that cave that Chris found, did it collapse? 294 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Is it still there? 295 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Does it continue back? 296 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 It's just covered by rocks? 297 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Definitely a lot of unanswered questions. 298 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,000 There's been one consistent thing I've heard since I've been here on the ranch for the last five years. 299 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 There is a system of tunnels that goes throughout the ranch. 300 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Got reports of UFO flying into the mesa. 301 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000 We have people that think that there's underground bases here. 302 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 We've yet to find it. 303 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Who knows? 304 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Maybe this is the entrance or maybe this is a way in. 305 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000 I'm all for figuring out a safe way to explore this more. 306 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Well, I'm ready to head down if you guys are. 307 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 I appreciate you showing us, Chris. 308 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 No problem, man. 309 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 There's multiple layers to this property. 310 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 I think what's going on here is bigger than any of us here. 311 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 It's bigger than a science experiment. 312 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 It's bigger than a government contract. 313 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 It's bigger than all of us. 314 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,000 How else can I explain some of this stuff throughout all those years? 315 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Okay. 316 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 We got our GPS data. 317 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 We know where it's at. 318 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 Let's get out of here. 319 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Hey, here's Jim. 320 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Hello, guys. 321 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Hey, Jim. 322 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 What's going on? 323 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Good to see you. 324 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,000 The day after Eric and I conducted our experiment at Jack FM, 325 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,000 ranch manager Jim Moore showed up to share something pretty crazy with us. 326 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Been doing a little outreach. 327 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,000 I had a guy that sent me some videos. 328 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 And this is local? 329 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 It is local. 330 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Yeah, so maybe I can show you these and you can make heads or tails out of them. 331 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 What are we looking at here? 332 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000 I guess it's these lights, right? 333 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Mm-hmm. 334 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Guess coming from over there. 335 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Where did this come from? 336 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Is this from the community? 337 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Yeah, this is from the community. 338 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 We're out here in the basin. 339 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,000 I mean, there was people from Moon Lake miles away that saw lights. 340 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,000 We know looking at that, first I thought it was stars, but look, look, they're moving. 341 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Yep. 342 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Look at that. 343 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Wow. 344 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Jim, when was this video taken? 345 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Last night, about 8 p.m. 346 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Really? 347 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,000 That's just a few hours after we played that sound on the radio, Eric. 348 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,000 No kidding. 349 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 It definitely stirred up a lot of interest out here. 350 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Looking in the next video, they're in completely different kind of, they've moved a bunch. 351 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Yeah. 352 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 And there's a bunch, there's like 4 or 5 of them. 353 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Well, that is interesting. 354 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 It's like some kind of formation of the lights are doing something. 355 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Now, if we actually stimulated these UAP to appear by broadcasting the sound from our 1.6 gigahertz signal out to Roosevelt, that's incredible. 356 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,000 They definitely didn't look like any conventional aircraft I've ever seen. 357 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Looks like 5 lights. 358 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 What on earth? 359 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 They're clearly moving. 360 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000 They're flying. 361 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000 I don't see any airplane navigation lights. 362 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,000 No, I didn't either. 363 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 I couldn't see a single blink. 364 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 I don't know what that is. 365 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 I gotta tell you though, it's intriguing. 366 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Yeah, I want to pick this apart frame by frame. 367 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Let me take a look at this. 368 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,000 I've never seen a pattern of this many mysterious lights in the sky after any of our activities. 369 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Usually we see one, maybe two. 370 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Maybe two, but that's pretty exciting. 371 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 I don't know what that means. 372 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Yeah, that's more than a coincidence. 373 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Seeing these videos was incredible because it wasn't just multiple UAPs that appeared at the same time. 374 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,000 They also seemed to be maneuvering in a coordinated formation. 375 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 There it is. 376 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 Wow. 377 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:51,000 When we broadcasted our signal at the radio station, we could see a very definite frequency register on the spectrum analyzer, as if something was responding. 378 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,000 What I want to know is if these UAPs were also stimulated by our experiment. 379 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Clearly, we now have an investigation that goes beyond the boundaries of Skinwalker Range. 380 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Well, if you get any stuff like this, absolutely, let us see. 381 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Thank you. 382 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Especially, you know, getting a date and a time with it also, that's great. 383 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 You guys really stirred the old Hornets' Nest up. 384 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,000 Yeah. 385 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Okay, well, if I can borrow this long enough to get the video off. 386 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Absolutely. 387 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 And I'm going to tear it apart frame by frame. 388 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Hello. 389 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 390 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 I'll get back to the neighbor, okay? 391 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000 All right, thanks a lot. 392 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Thanks a lot. 393 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000 I'll get this back to you soon. 394 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000 See you later, Jim. 395 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Thank you. 396 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 All right. 397 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Well. 398 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Yeah, this is the area we're looking at. 399 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,000 After our meeting with Chris Bartell, we brought Jake Kupman out, 400 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000 who has spent his career building oil well sites. 401 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,000 And as part of that has used a lot of explosives and done a lot of blasting. 402 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:03,000 We wanted to get his eyes on the Mesa and see if he could tell whether this was a natural cave-in or a purposeful one. 403 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000 And what the best method of getting into the Mesa would be. 404 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Well, about a quarter of the way down from the top, there's an opening where that little clay slough off is. 405 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,000 We had a former guard from Bigelow's era that told us about this large opening. 406 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 He'd climbed down in. 407 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,000 There were some traps and stuff, but it appeared like it had collapsed in. 408 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:31,000 And the whole time we've been here, we've heard reports of these large tunnels that people can walk clear, clear back in. 409 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Really? 410 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Uh-huh. 411 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Some underground bases. 412 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,000 I mean, you name it, we've heard all kinds of crazy things about this hill. 413 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,000 And we've searched and searched and haven't found anything that resembles that until we got to this spot. 414 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:50,000 And it does appear like there could have been a large opening that went back and it caved in. 415 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,000 I'd like to take a closer look, see if maybe we can see some signs of any drilling activity. 416 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Okay. 417 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Go ahead. 418 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 We're just going to go right up here to the base. 419 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Looking at it, do you see anything that would indicate to you that this was collapsed on purpose? 420 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Actually, yeah. 421 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Usually if you have a slough, then you're going to have material that's built up somewhere, you know, and I'm not seeing anywhere where softer material or mud or anything. 422 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 That was pushed out. 423 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000 I don't know what that purpose would be. 424 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,000 I can't see the rock having a value as landscaping rocks. 425 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:48,000 I believe at some point there was some blasting done and perhaps that was done to hide something. 426 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Jake suggested that we go to the base of the rock. 427 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:59,000 At some point there was some blasting done and perhaps that was done to hide something. 428 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Jake suggests that blasting has occurred in this area that perhaps the face of this mace has been collapsed in. 429 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 And if so, it makes me wonder why did they collapse it in? 430 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Was it for safety to keep people out of these tunnels or mines or whatever they were or were they trying to hide something? 431 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000 We got to talk to Eric and Travis about all this and see what they think. 432 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 We definitely need to investigate it a lot more. 433 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Yep. 434 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,000 So we appreciate your expertise. 435 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 I can only imagine we'll have you back out here again. 436 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 What do we do to help? 437 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Okay, we appreciate it. Thank you. 438 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 We had an interesting visit with Chris Bartel. 439 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Chris shared some experiences that he had while he's here on the ranch. 440 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 One of them, he was going across the mesa. 441 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,000 He was following some very, very large tracks. 442 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 The stride of his animals, like three feet. 443 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000 That's a big animal. 444 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,000 He used the term canine, but those tracks look like a very large wolf. 445 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,000 And as he came down, he found this cavern. 446 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:12,000 It was pretty large and there were large traps that had been set down inside of this. 447 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,000 The interesting thing was is that when you look down in it, 448 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 you can tell that the rocks have collapsed down. 449 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Wait, wait, so you've actually seen it? 450 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Yes, and I have a solid GPS coordinate for the actual opening. 451 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000 So if you provide the coordinates, I can actually bring it up on the screen. 452 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Ever since I joined the team two years ago, 453 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,000 I wanted to investigate the stories about caves and supposed underground caverns. 454 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000 But we just couldn't find any. 455 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 I said we pull this up on the screen and look at it. 456 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Yeah, let's do that. 457 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,000 So when Thomas said that former Bigelow team member Chris Bartell 458 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000 showed them where one was possibly covered over, 459 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000 I couldn't wait to learn more. 460 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000 It's about three-quarters of the way up the mesa. 461 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,000 And it looks like there potentially could have been a much larger cavern 462 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,000 that the whole thing has just kind of sunk in and collapsed. 463 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Is this close to where we're starting to see some of the GPS anomalies 464 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 where they vanished into the mesa? 465 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Now that is a great question. 466 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 Actually, it's the opposite. 467 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:21,000 In some of our exercises, we've seen things seem to emerge from about that part of the mesa. 468 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Really? 469 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Back at your way! 470 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Earlier this summer, we conducted two different aerial experiments 471 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 over the Triangle area using GPS sensors. 472 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,000 I'm getting something, yeah. 473 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Trying to pinpoint the location where we keep detecting high-energy spikes 474 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 about a mile above the ranch. 475 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,000 These blue cubes represent the position of the GPS payloads. 476 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 It looks like you smashed into the mesa. 477 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000 We popped out on this side right there. 478 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,000 But in both cases, the GPS data we collected inexplicably showed 479 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 that our aircraft flew down below the mesa. 480 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Look at that. 481 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,000 That's about that location right there. 482 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,000 And now, it looks like the exit point corresponds with this spot 483 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,000 where Chris Bartell says a cave entrance used to exist. 484 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:17,000 I don't know yet, but maybe that's where our answers about the Triangle area are hidden. 485 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,000 After seeing this, we brought Jake out here and had him look at it. 486 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:28,000 He had a feeling that it looked like there had been some demolition work there. 487 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,000 Did Bigelow's team discover something that we have yet to discover? 488 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000 If there really is a cave there and it was covered up, 489 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 that had to be done during Bigelow's ownership of the ranch 490 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000 since he's the one that Brandon bought it from. 491 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,000 So given that Bigelow was funded in part by the federal government for his research, 492 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000 what could they have found that needed to be kept hidden? 493 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,000 It'd be good to get Pete Kelsey to fly over it with the infrared camera 494 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,000 and see if there's any temperature differences that might suggest there's an airflow or a pocket or something. 495 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 Absolutely. 496 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 I've been really impressed by his work in the past 497 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 and to be able to have him bring out even more equipment 498 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000 that's more technologically advanced would be awesome. 499 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Sounds like we've got a plan. 500 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,000 The more detail we can get about this part of the property, the better. 501 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000 You're right, too. 502 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000 Okay, sounds good. 503 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:24,000 Right in here somewhere? 504 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,000 Right up on the edge up there. 505 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:34,000 To help us figure out if this really is a covered entrance to something in the Mesa, 506 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,000 technologist Pete Kelsey has brought out a drone with a thermal imaging camera 507 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,000 that'll be able to identify any signs of voids or caverns below the rubble. 508 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000 This looks great. 509 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Thank you, sir. 510 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,000 Uh-huh. 511 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000 The guys have asked me to look for caves here on the properties. 512 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 The thermal camera could be a really good fit there 513 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:01,000 because typically caves, tunnels, the air inside is much cooler than the air outside. 514 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,000 If it shows cold air, that could mean that there's a network. 515 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000 All right, I got all green lights here ready when you are. 516 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 Where's the hole, Thomas? 517 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,000 It's basically right up there. 518 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,000 You can only see it from the top down. 519 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000 You can't see it looking up. 520 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:26,000 So I'm going to just go up there so that you have an easy point of reference as you're trying to locate where this opening is at. 521 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 I think it'll be a lot easier if I'm up there standing close to it. 522 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Okay. 523 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 So, okay, I'm going to get started. 524 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Be careful. 525 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Yep. 526 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:41,000 In my years on the ranch, there's been rampant rumors about underground tunnels, underground bases. 527 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000 And really, with the technology that we're deploying now, 528 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:50,000 the hopes is to either find it or finally put it to bed once and for all. 529 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Right here. 530 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 Is there? 531 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 Yep. 532 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 Spinning up. 533 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000 So you're flying the thermal camera first. 534 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000 Yeah, so the fancy term is this is a radiometric thermal camera, 535 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,000 which means it will give me the temperature, but it also can do just video. 536 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Very cool. 537 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000 Heading for Thomas. 538 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 There he is. 539 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000 I will zoom in on him a bit. 540 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 So the hole must be that thing right in front of him. 541 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Is that hole really the coldest thing within the field of view? 542 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Yes. 543 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 But it's black. 544 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Okay. 545 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000 That's 64 degrees. 546 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Whereas on the rock surfaces you are at. 547 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000 Yeah, on the sun, just went to 102. 548 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000 40 degree difference. 549 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000 I'm going to go ahead and take one of those smoke bombs up there. 550 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000 So you guys keep an eye out down here to see if you see smoke coming out. 551 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000 That is a great idea. 552 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:05,000 In addition to Pete's high-tech drone, we also brought along some low-tech smoke bombs 553 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,000 to look for evidence of holes or possible entry points. 554 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000 Once we drop the bombs, if the smoke starts emitting back out of the mesa 555 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,000 from different points than where we dropped them, 556 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,000 it would be a sign that there really is a covered-up cave or tunnel system under all these folders. 557 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Hey, Travis. 558 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,000 We're ready for you to pop that smoke bomb. 559 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000 All right, we're going to pop the smoke. 560 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Three, two, one. 561 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000 Pop and smoke. Pop and smoke. 562 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 You see any effect? 563 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000 No. 564 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000 There it starts to come out. Look at that. 565 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000 Blue smoke. 566 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Yeah, so I'm getting no love on the thermal. 567 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000 So I'll switch to RGB. 568 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Oh, it's coming out down here. 569 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000 Oh, look, look behind you. 570 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000 It's coming out everywhere. 571 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Ooh, that makes my day. 572 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Wow, look at that. 573 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000 Little wasps of it down here. 574 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 There's a connection between these larger openings. 575 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Perhaps that cave we're talking about. 576 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000 Yeah, there was a cave at one time. 577 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Travis and I found a couple of holes up here. 578 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 I think we're going to throw our smoke grenades in there. 579 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000 So keep an eye out. 580 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000 See if you see it coming out anywhere on the mesa. 581 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Copy that. Thanks. 582 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Right here. 583 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000 Let it get smoking good. 584 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Oh, that's good. 585 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Orange smoke. Orange smoke. 586 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000 I'm going to step back. 587 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Yeah, definitely. We got smoke. 588 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 A little bit. 589 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000 Yeah. 590 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000 There should be a lot more smoke coming out. 591 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Actually, look, look, it's getting sucked in. 592 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000 Yeah, the smoke's going down. 593 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Yeah, it's going down. 594 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000 Yeah, it's going down. 595 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Yeah, it's going down. 596 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000 Yeah, the smoke's going down. 597 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Well, look, it's completely gone. 598 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000 We should be seeing smoke everywhere. 599 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000 There's no smoke. 600 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 There's nothing here. 601 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 There's no smoke? 602 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000 I don't see anything. 603 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Where did it go? 604 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Where did the smoke go? 605 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Where did it go? 606 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000 Actually, look, look, it's getting sucked in. 607 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000 Yeah, the smoke's going down. 608 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 The wind's pulling the smoke down, Dragon. 609 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Really? 610 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 When we dropped smoke bombs down this opening, 611 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 the smoke started to come out, 612 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 and then it was as if somebody turned on a vacuum, 613 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000 and the smoke just disappeared and sucked down in the hole. 614 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 Yeah, something's sucking the smoke into the cave or the hole. 615 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Nothing. 616 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 There's no smoke at all. 617 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000 That is really strange. 618 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Yeah, it's inhaling. 619 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Yeah, it's inhaling all right. 620 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000 So if that's an inhale, the question is where are the lungs? 621 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000 Hey, Eric, copy? 622 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000 Yeah, go ahead, Travis. 623 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 You guys don't see any smoke down there. 624 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Travis, I could only see the smoke at the beginning. 625 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 It disappeared just like you reported. 626 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000 No trace. 627 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000 I don't see it coming out anywhere. 628 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000 You going up top? 629 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000 Yeah. 630 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000 Thomas is going up top. 631 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000 Look up there and see if you see any smoke with the drone. 632 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,000 Yeah. 633 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000 All right, panning up. 634 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000 You see any effect? 635 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000 No. 636 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Anything, Thomas? 637 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000 No. 638 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,000 For the smoke to be getting pulled down into the mesa, 639 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000 that means that there's some kind of cavern or void 640 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000 sucking the smoke back underground like a vacuum. 641 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Is it something natural, 642 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000 or could there be some artificial object or device causing that? 643 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Hey, guys, I got one more. 644 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000 Do we want to try and repeat that? 645 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000 I say we do. 646 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000 What do you think? 647 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000 Yeah. 648 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Okay, I'll bring it up. 649 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Okay. 650 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Egg bait, my eyes. 651 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000 Dragon has one more smoke grenade. 652 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,000 He's going to bring it up, 653 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 and we're going to drop it in the hole for a repeat. 654 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,000 Copy that. 655 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000 You want to do it, Dragon? 656 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000 Sure, I can. 657 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000 All right, well, look. 658 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000 We're getting ready to pop the smoke. 659 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Yeah, so keep an eye out. 660 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Three, two, one. 661 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Yeah, that's probably good enough. 662 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,000 Purple smoke. 663 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Yeah. 664 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Well, there's just a little bit coming out of it. 665 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000 Nothing, no. 666 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Look at it. 667 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000 See if it's pulling it back down. 668 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Yeah, it is. Look at it. 669 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Yeah, look, it's pulling it down right here. 670 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000 That first little bit kind of filtering out, 671 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000 the rest is getting sucked back down. 672 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 Should be a lot more smoke than that. 673 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Those smoke grenades last a while. 674 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000 I'm going to try and get it out. 675 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,000 I'm going to try and get it out. 676 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000 I'm going to try and get it out. 677 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000 I'm going to try and get it out. 678 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 I'm going to try and get it out. 679 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Those smoke grenades last a while. 680 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000 It's gone. 681 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,000 It's gone. Look. 682 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000 That's just weird. 683 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Hey, Eric, same thing happened. 684 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,000 A little bit of smoke came out then it all just kind of went away. 685 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000 Y'all see any smoke come out anywhere? 686 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Not down here, Travis. 687 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Did Thomas see anything on the backside? 688 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000 I don't see anything up here. 689 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Yeah? 690 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 I even walked back there up on the ridge a little bit. 691 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000 I don't see anything. 692 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000 We've got a lot of data suggesting that there's something 693 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000 interesting going on in this area. 694 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000 With all the stories that we've heard of tunnels and caverns 695 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 and underground bases here in the Mesa, 696 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000 I finally feel like we're starting to make some progress. 697 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Well, it means there's got to be some sort of an opening 698 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000 if it's pulling that much smoke and none of it's leaking out. 699 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000 We're out of smoke bombs. 700 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 I guess just head down. 701 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 All right, I'm landing. 702 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,000 As I like to say, we are led by the data, 703 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,000 and all of the data are pointing to the existence of a large void 704 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000 somewhere inside of the face of this Mesa. 705 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000 I would love to get eyes on what's in there. 706 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Welcome back to Earth. 707 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000 Yeah. 708 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000 So you did find something. 709 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 We did find something. 710 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Sure weird from what I saw from the air. 711 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,000 It was like the Mesa just took a deep breath. 712 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000 Yeah, you can literally see it being sucked down through. 713 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000 Oh, and the hole, it seemed like it just went forever. 714 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Dude, it was just like a vacuum cleaner turned on 715 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 and it sucked all that smoke down and then it was gone. 716 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000 Yeah, and it was gone. 717 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000 So it went somewhere. 718 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000 That hole goes deeper than we think. 719 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Well, I think we got to figure some things out 720 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000 before we do the next thing. 721 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 We really want to do this right. 722 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,000 The experiment definitely confirmed that there is something 723 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000 that we need to explore deep inside the Mesa. 724 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000 But we're going to have to move some Earth. 725 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000 And that means digging or drilling to find out what it is. 726 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000 So we need to have a serious meeting with Brandon 727 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 and get his blessing, as we've seen in the past. 728 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000 It's always risky to dig on Skinwalker Ranch. 729 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 But I don't see another choice. 730 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 Great work as always, Pete. Thank you very much. 731 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Appreciate it. 732 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 I will load up and head back. 733 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Oh, here they are. 734 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Now that we've found what may be a purposely covered up system 735 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,000 of caverns, or who knows what, in the Mesa, 736 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,000 we need to explain it to Brandon and have a serious discussion 737 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000 about what he's willing to allow us to do to get inside 738 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000 and see what the heck could be there. 739 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000 Well, Brandon, as usual, we have some intriguing things to report. 740 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000 We've taken a lot of data with the GPS experiment 741 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 with the helicopter, with the airplane. 742 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,000 And we seem to find there's an anomaly that's just a little bit 743 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 west of the triangle that's causing it to look like, 744 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,000 actually, that Cameron's helicopter flew us into the Mesa 745 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 and then out of the Mesa on top, somehow or other. 746 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000 That's kind of the same location that we've had an eyewitness 747 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000 suggest that there was a cave there in the past. 748 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000 Really? 749 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000 Wow. 750 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Chris Bartell, one of the former guards for Mr. Bigelow, 751 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000 he came out here and visited with us, 752 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,000 and he showed us this cavern. 753 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Thomas and I had one of his associates come out 754 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 who's done a lot of blasting and drilling. 755 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000 Well, he just looked at it, and he said it does have the appearance 756 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,000 that it could have been blasted and collapsed. 757 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Chris Bartell's showing us this cavern 758 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,000 led us to explore further in that area 759 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,000 to see if we could find other clues or maybe other entrances. 760 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000 And we actually did find some other holes, 761 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000 which we dropped smoke bombs down into. 762 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 The smoke started to come up out of the hole, 763 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 and then it was as if somebody turned on a vacuum, 764 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 and the smoke sucked down into the hole, 765 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 and we never saw another trace of it. 766 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Wow. That was really strange. 767 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Yeah, it was odd. 768 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,000 It really suggests that there is some sort of opening network 769 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000 underneath the rocks, underneath the Mesa. 770 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000 The fact that the smoke experiment 771 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000 showed that there's some void, there's something 772 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000 that is pulling that material into the Mesa, 773 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000 I mean, that's a key clue. 774 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,000 Yeah, it is the most bizarre thing. 775 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000 There's an airflow somewhere going into something, 776 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000 a void somewhere or whatever, it says it never came out lower. 777 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,000 That suggests there's an opening underneath the Mesa out there. 778 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000 Yeah. 779 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000 As we've discussed before, this is an area 780 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,000 attended by GPS receivers behaving anomalously 781 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000 in that part of the ranch. 782 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 What's doing it? What's interfering with them? 783 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 And what may have been covered up in the past? 784 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000 What were they hiding in that Mesa? 785 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000 That's the big question, right? 786 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000 What were they hiding, and why would they deliberately 787 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 cover up their tracks? 788 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000 I think Thomas has found the ideal solution. 789 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000 What would you propose? 790 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Well, I have a good friend that is a driller. 791 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000 Now, he's a horizontal driller. 792 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 This drill is special in the fact that it's directional, 793 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000 and it allows them to steer the bit around. 794 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000 And so we could set it up at the base of the Mesa 795 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,000 and drill horizontally into the Mesa, 796 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000 and we can steer it around, and so it would allow us to explore 797 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000 and see if we might be able to punch into one of these voids. 798 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000 That is a perfect match for our problem set, Thomas. 799 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,000 I'm very curious to find out what may be hidden 800 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000 in that chamber or at least in that area. 801 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000 You have my approval to proceed, but proceed with care. 802 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,000 I want to minimize the amount of disruption over in that area, 803 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,000 and I want to make sure that safety is paramount. 804 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 You got it, Brandon. Let's go. 805 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000 You can't really take this ranch as a serious scientific investigation 806 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000 if you don't take in mind all of the lore and mythology that comes with it. 807 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000 We've heard so many stories about what's underneath this Mesa. 808 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,000 We've heard myths of caves that have portals in them, 809 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000 even a military base. 810 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,000 Any information we could get that tells us there's some type of void 811 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,000 or even a structure, that would be amazing information. 812 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000 I believe as we move forward, the Mesa holds secrets 813 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000 that have yet to be revealed. 814 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,000 We have to always be aware that any time we begin digging or disturbing the Earth, 815 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,000 we stand to experience harm, and there's risk involved. 816 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000 However, I can tell you we are onto something. 817 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,000 This is the time to put our foot on the gas and to charge forward, 818 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:26,000 so we can hopefully catch a glimpse of what is really at work at Skinwalker Ranch. 819 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:37,000 We're hoping that we can go drill through the Mesa and see if we hit any voids. 820 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000 That looks like a big chunk of something. 821 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000 What is that? 822 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000 It definitely looks metallic. 823 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000 Let's run a snake camera down the Mesa. 824 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000 There it is. 825 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000 What is that? 826 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 This thing is broadcasting. 827 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000 This thing shouldn't be broadcasting anything. 828 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000 Hey. 829 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000 Are you okay? 830 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000 No. 831 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000 I'm sorry.